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	<description>The Rantings of Pab Sungenis</description>
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		<title>By: Fenris Ulf</title>
		<link>http://cnx.com/?p=1145&#038;cpage=1#comment-2886</link>
		<dc:creator>Fenris Ulf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 05:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What are you, some kind of communist?  Dogs don&#039;t suck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What are you, some kind of communist?  Dogs don&#8217;t suck!</p>
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		<title>By: IMORTL</title>
		<link>http://cnx.com/?p=1145&#038;cpage=1#comment-2712</link>
		<dc:creator>IMORTL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 May 2010 19:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, I believe this movie breaks the whole time travel rule paradox and made it so that essentially the TNG series no longer exists.  Therefore there should never be a TNG movie again. 

Here is why. 

They blew up Vulcan.  Go through all of the original series, TNG, DS9 and Voyager (wasn’t a Vulcan a key member of that crew?)  each time you see a Vulcan on the show… Nope – they are dead. Shows are not the same…

There were several episodes that Spock or someone visited the home world.  Never happened.
That episode where all of the races were looking for the “Magic weapon” that turned out to be a message from the past – Never happened Vulcan was destroyed so they were missing that piece of the puzzle FOREVER!

Vulcan was destroyed by a Rolmulan – you’re telling me that didn’t set off an intergalactic War between Romulus and Earth and what was left of the Vulcans?  

How would that have affected the Klingon, Human relationship?  Don’t you think that after a Romulan DESTROYED and entire home world, that the Klingon’s  would have never let their guard down and the incident at Kitimer sp? (where Worf’s dad died ) would not have happened? – would that have also impacted the Tasha Yar story?  Would Enterprise C or the Klingon outpost been so lax coming in when a Romulan was attacking?   

Both of the unification episodes – Gone!

AND – since that changed the entire Future – it would have been better if just when Vulcan disappeared, Old Spock should have vanished…  Who knows what happened to him after that change in the continuum…
This movie was a mistake in the StarTrek Universe…

But it’s just a movie…</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, I believe this movie breaks the whole time travel rule paradox and made it so that essentially the TNG series no longer exists.  Therefore there should never be a TNG movie again. </p>
<p>Here is why. </p>
<p>They blew up Vulcan.  Go through all of the original series, TNG, DS9 and Voyager (wasn’t a Vulcan a key member of that crew?)  each time you see a Vulcan on the show… Nope – they are dead. Shows are not the same…</p>
<p>There were several episodes that Spock or someone visited the home world.  Never happened.<br />
That episode where all of the races were looking for the “Magic weapon” that turned out to be a message from the past – Never happened Vulcan was destroyed so they were missing that piece of the puzzle FOREVER!</p>
<p>Vulcan was destroyed by a Rolmulan – you’re telling me that didn’t set off an intergalactic War between Romulus and Earth and what was left of the Vulcans?  </p>
<p>How would that have affected the Klingon, Human relationship?  Don’t you think that after a Romulan DESTROYED and entire home world, that the Klingon’s  would have never let their guard down and the incident at Kitimer sp? (where Worf’s dad died ) would not have happened? – would that have also impacted the Tasha Yar story?  Would Enterprise C or the Klingon outpost been so lax coming in when a Romulan was attacking?   </p>
<p>Both of the unification episodes – Gone!</p>
<p>AND – since that changed the entire Future – it would have been better if just when Vulcan disappeared, Old Spock should have vanished…  Who knows what happened to him after that change in the continuum…<br />
This movie was a mistake in the StarTrek Universe…</p>
<p>But it’s just a movie…</p>
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		<title>By: James Spock</title>
		<link>http://cnx.com/?p=1145&#038;cpage=1#comment-2691</link>
		<dc:creator>James Spock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 18:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As long as the script for the new movie makes sense, because this one
was absolutely brainless, that is the major reason I dislike this movie. If you can&#039;t admit that you are either blind or don&#039;t really
care for plot in a flic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As long as the script for the new movie makes sense, because this one<br />
was absolutely brainless, that is the major reason I dislike this movie. If you can&#8217;t admit that you are either blind or don&#8217;t really<br />
care for plot in a flic.</p>
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		<title>By: Can't wait for the next movie!!!!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Can't wait for the next movie!!!!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 May 2010 15:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quit crying!!!!!!! It was a good movie that separated itself from the original story line right from the start. Stop over thinking it..... The original &quot;UNIVERSE&quot; is still in tack. I look forward to more adventures with the old characters and the new twist the new actors and actresses will put on them..... I can&#039;t watch the old re-runs anymore, I&#039;ve seen them over and over and over and over again.

This new time line will allow the cast of characters, I love, to give us some new material to watch. And all of you die hard trek dissectors, something to bitch about.

Can&#039;t wait for the next movie!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quit crying!!!!!!! It was a good movie that separated itself from the original story line right from the start. Stop over thinking it&#8230;.. The original &#8220;UNIVERSE&#8221; is still in tack. I look forward to more adventures with the old characters and the new twist the new actors and actresses will put on them&#8230;.. I can&#8217;t watch the old re-runs anymore, I&#8217;ve seen them over and over and over and over again.</p>
<p>This new time line will allow the cast of characters, I love, to give us some new material to watch. And all of you die hard trek dissectors, something to bitch about.</p>
<p>Can&#8217;t wait for the next movie!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: G2309</title>
		<link>http://cnx.com/?p=1145&#038;cpage=1#comment-2533</link>
		<dc:creator>G2309</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Mar 2010 21:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>blowing up Vulcan was te best decision they made. Not only did it show the threat but it actually changed something in Star Trek without it being reset to the status quo. It lost its impact as I thought they&#039;d make the mistake of previous star trek writers and fix it at the end.

I wrote a parody to review the film would like to know what people think.

http://www.bukisa.com/articles/191154_star-trek-xi-parody-script</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>blowing up Vulcan was te best decision they made. Not only did it show the threat but it actually changed something in Star Trek without it being reset to the status quo. It lost its impact as I thought they&#8217;d make the mistake of previous star trek writers and fix it at the end.</p>
<p>I wrote a parody to review the film would like to know what people think.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bukisa.com/articles/191154_star-trek-xi-parody-script" rel="nofollow">http://www.bukisa.com/articles/191154_star-trek-xi-parody-script</a></p>
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		<title>By: boohoo</title>
		<link>http://cnx.com/?p=1145&#038;cpage=1#comment-2470</link>
		<dc:creator>boohoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 18:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That’s why I said earlier that we should just accept this universe to be the mirror universe of the Terran Empire.  It makes all the continuity issues more tolerable: 

1) This would explain why the USS Relativity doesn&#039;t show up to fix the timeline.  Because it’s the mirror universe they don&#039;t care about what happens there.  

2) This would explain why there is no George Samuel Kirk.  This Kirk does not have a brother in the Mirror Universe, so he is essentially George, but is named Jim due to the destruction of the USS Kelvin and early death of his father Lt Kirk.  It also explains why he is such a trouble maker without conscience, unlike the original Captain Kirk.  Why, because this is the mirror universe.  

4) This would also explain why Uhura and Spock have a relationship.  This Mirror Spock doesn’t care about his bond with T’pring and with the destruction of Vulcan she dies anyway.  

3) Why does Pike not get court martialed for doing such a poor job defending the planet Vulcan?  Because he is an officer of the Terran Empire, not the Federation.  They probably perfer the destruction of Vulcan to a lesser degree or don&#039;t care otherwise.  Since the Romulan Empire is independent in the Mirror Universe, the issue of defeating a new Romulan Ship is likely a more pressing issue than saving Vulcan. 

4) It would also explain why the USS Kelvin looks so weird.  The design of the Kelvin that we see on screen was influenced by the appearance of the Constitution class USS Defiant that appeared in Tholian space in the time of Captain Archer of the Terran Empire.

It will be cake for writers to retcon this version of Star Trek in the future.  If the Tholians could open a gateway into an alternate future universe, then the Red stuff that Spock was using could do the same into the past.  In fact this timeline could be an attempt by the Terran Slave resistance to keep the Terran Empire from losing power to the Alliance with the assistance of maniputating the time line in the Mirror Universe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That’s why I said earlier that we should just accept this universe to be the mirror universe of the Terran Empire.  It makes all the continuity issues more tolerable: </p>
<p>1) This would explain why the USS Relativity doesn&#8217;t show up to fix the timeline.  Because it’s the mirror universe they don&#8217;t care about what happens there.  </p>
<p>2) This would explain why there is no George Samuel Kirk.  This Kirk does not have a brother in the Mirror Universe, so he is essentially George, but is named Jim due to the destruction of the USS Kelvin and early death of his father Lt Kirk.  It also explains why he is such a trouble maker without conscience, unlike the original Captain Kirk.  Why, because this is the mirror universe.  </p>
<p>4) This would also explain why Uhura and Spock have a relationship.  This Mirror Spock doesn’t care about his bond with T’pring and with the destruction of Vulcan she dies anyway.  </p>
<p>3) Why does Pike not get court martialed for doing such a poor job defending the planet Vulcan?  Because he is an officer of the Terran Empire, not the Federation.  They probably perfer the destruction of Vulcan to a lesser degree or don&#8217;t care otherwise.  Since the Romulan Empire is independent in the Mirror Universe, the issue of defeating a new Romulan Ship is likely a more pressing issue than saving Vulcan. </p>
<p>4) It would also explain why the USS Kelvin looks so weird.  The design of the Kelvin that we see on screen was influenced by the appearance of the Constitution class USS Defiant that appeared in Tholian space in the time of Captain Archer of the Terran Empire.</p>
<p>It will be cake for writers to retcon this version of Star Trek in the future.  If the Tholians could open a gateway into an alternate future universe, then the Red stuff that Spock was using could do the same into the past.  In fact this timeline could be an attempt by the Terran Slave resistance to keep the Terran Empire from losing power to the Alliance with the assistance of maniputating the time line in the Mirror Universe.</p>
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		<title>By: nekochan</title>
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		<dc:creator>nekochan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 20:49:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes! Trek 11 sucks. It is fun to watch, but don&#039;t try to understand the plot.

1. Nero spends 25 years as a prisoner at Klingons&#039; Rora Pente (?). The Klingons are so stupid that they have no clue whatsoever (based on Nero&#039;s vessel and its technology) that Nero is from the future until 25 years later.

2. Black hole stuff? How big is the smaller black hole? Greater than 1 solar mass? How strong is its gravity? Can Nero drop it to the surface of Vulcan and that&#039;s it? Why wasting time drilling a hole to the planet core?

3. Or dropping the red matter somewhere near Vulcan moon will work as well. Oh dear!, Vulcan has no moon! (from TOS).

4. Red matter? You need only small amount of it to create a black hole. Why does Spock carry a tank of red matter? It sounds like Spock plans to suck the whole galaxy. Traveling with a large amount of red matter is comparable to carry WMD with you. That&#039;s very illogical by Spock&#039;s standard.

5. JJ Abram wanted to do fast paced Trek, just like Star Wars, to lure younger audience. Should he make Star Wars instead?

Some guys may already talk about this Trek and its alternate timeline. I do not want to discuss time travel. It has been a pain watching it!

I must say....I have a feeling that this Trek makes &quot;The Final Frontier&quot; look really good. At least Kirk meets God and he does not impress! Kirk is as Kirk by his standard.!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes! Trek 11 sucks. It is fun to watch, but don&#8217;t try to understand the plot.</p>
<p>1. Nero spends 25 years as a prisoner at Klingons&#8217; Rora Pente (?). The Klingons are so stupid that they have no clue whatsoever (based on Nero&#8217;s vessel and its technology) that Nero is from the future until 25 years later.</p>
<p>2. Black hole stuff? How big is the smaller black hole? Greater than 1 solar mass? How strong is its gravity? Can Nero drop it to the surface of Vulcan and that&#8217;s it? Why wasting time drilling a hole to the planet core?</p>
<p>3. Or dropping the red matter somewhere near Vulcan moon will work as well. Oh dear!, Vulcan has no moon! (from TOS).</p>
<p>4. Red matter? You need only small amount of it to create a black hole. Why does Spock carry a tank of red matter? It sounds like Spock plans to suck the whole galaxy. Traveling with a large amount of red matter is comparable to carry WMD with you. That&#8217;s very illogical by Spock&#8217;s standard.</p>
<p>5. JJ Abram wanted to do fast paced Trek, just like Star Wars, to lure younger audience. Should he make Star Wars instead?</p>
<p>Some guys may already talk about this Trek and its alternate timeline. I do not want to discuss time travel. It has been a pain watching it!</p>
<p>I must say&#8230;.I have a feeling that this Trek makes &#8220;The Final Frontier&#8221; look really good. At least Kirk meets God and he does not impress! Kirk is as Kirk by his standard.!</p>
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		<title>By: James Wayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 20:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Zach, what do you think of Spock accepting to let Uhura aboard
the enterprise based only on personal argument (Breaking the rule)
but decides to let a cadet (Kirk) become captain of the ship according to regulation #xxx (by the book) when earth is menaced.
How can he in all ligic do this, he&#039;s either stupid or dosen&#039;t care
what happen to earth.
If anybody remembers in original episode Journey to Babel he would not even help his dieing father because he was in charge of the Enterprise, Kirk then told MCCoy that he sure could not dam Spock for his loyaty.
Anyway as far as I&#039;m concerned the whole movie is a mistake from the beginning to the end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Zach, what do you think of Spock accepting to let Uhura aboard<br />
the enterprise based only on personal argument (Breaking the rule)<br />
but decides to let a cadet (Kirk) become captain of the ship according to regulation #xxx (by the book) when earth is menaced.<br />
How can he in all ligic do this, he&#8217;s either stupid or dosen&#8217;t care<br />
what happen to earth.<br />
If anybody remembers in original episode Journey to Babel he would not even help his dieing father because he was in charge of the Enterprise, Kirk then told MCCoy that he sure could not dam Spock for his loyaty.<br />
Anyway as far as I&#8217;m concerned the whole movie is a mistake from the beginning to the end.</p>
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		<title>By: Zach</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 22:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James, you reminded me of a good point.  What the HELL were they thinking with the Kobayashimaru scene.  I mean, if I were going to cheat, especially in Starfleet Academy, I would try to sell it better than that.  But no, he just sat there and acted like an ass for 2 minutes until, mysteriously, all the screens got fuzzy and the shields dropped and, of course, the instructors didn&#039;t have a clue what was going on.  It seemed as if they only threw in the scene to placate the people they were going to stab in the back later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James, you reminded me of a good point.  What the HELL were they thinking with the Kobayashimaru scene.  I mean, if I were going to cheat, especially in Starfleet Academy, I would try to sell it better than that.  But no, he just sat there and acted like an ass for 2 minutes until, mysteriously, all the screens got fuzzy and the shields dropped and, of course, the instructors didn&#8217;t have a clue what was going on.  It seemed as if they only threw in the scene to placate the people they were going to stab in the back later.</p>
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		<title>By: James Wayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 20:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What got to me was the Science, it&#039;s all wrong. Takes the ship 10 minuits to get to Volcan mbut about 5 hours to get back (judging from the time Kirk stayed on the ice planet), the way the Enterprise
was shooting Phasers (a la Starwars) The universal translator not translating russian &amp; so on. I also have to mention the immaturity
of young Kirk at the Kobayashimaru. I don&#039;t believe any military insitution would accept a student eating an apple on a serious exam
as this. Anyway I could go on like this forever.
This movie made money this time, but I believe they will kill the franchise if they do not change there way of things</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What got to me was the Science, it&#8217;s all wrong. Takes the ship 10 minuits to get to Volcan mbut about 5 hours to get back (judging from the time Kirk stayed on the ice planet), the way the Enterprise<br />
was shooting Phasers (a la Starwars) The universal translator not translating russian &amp; so on. I also have to mention the immaturity<br />
of young Kirk at the Kobayashimaru. I don&#8217;t believe any military insitution would accept a student eating an apple on a serious exam<br />
as this. Anyway I could go on like this forever.<br />
This movie made money this time, but I believe they will kill the franchise if they do not change there way of things</p>
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